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1 Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 3:13 pm

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Doing timing and originally it was on zero started to advance but will only go to 10 before hitting a stop. Any ideas???

2 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 3:21 pm

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Desperate guys !!!

3 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 4:37 pm

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Disconnect the tps and make sure the idle is under 1000rpm,get someone to slip.the clutch to get the idle down if you have to then set the timing.

4 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 4:44 pm

Bones

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Done that, ticking over at 948 rpm. Timing was on zero( second mark from the left) moved dizzy and watched it go up but ran out of movement at +10. Wondered it dizzy is on a spline and someone in the past has put it back one tooth out????

5 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 4:49 pm

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Is this with the throttle postion sensor disconnected aswell?

If so check the crank pulley and make sure the rubber on that is still in good shape ans not moved.

6 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 4:58 pm

Bones

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Ye tps removed cant see the pully though but im assuming its fine??

7 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 4:58 pm

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As we advanced it it did sound loads smoother though

8 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 7:03 pm

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as above the outer ring on crank pulley may have moved a little which will give you false marks.
if the damper ring is all good and you can only reach 10 degrees then that means your engine timing is out a tooth so youll need to whip the rc off and check engine timing marks

dizzy is not on a wormdrive on these cars so itll only fit in one position, so you cant go wrong there

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9 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 7:06 pm

Bones

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Is the outer ring a common problem and is it a renewable part or repairable??

10 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 7:11 pm

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yep its fairly common on them now
and no its not really repairable unfortunately and new ones from mr Nissan are £300 odd+

check it out properly by pulling on the outer ring and seeing if theres any movement if so then youll need a replacement
we flog them for £50 which are all ok but stocks are getting very low now

http://www.gti-r-us.co.uk www.force500.com

11 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 7:28 pm

Bones

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Can i use a tdi gauge to find top dead centre and mark the inner pulley then set my timing light to +20 and set timing like that?

12 Re: Timing problem on 20th October 2013, 7:44 pm

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yeah that would work providing you get accurate reading.

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13 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 7:26 pm

Bones

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Your right Jedi master,,, the outer ring does have some play in it. I've removed the two belts and the centre bolt to find the pulley has a whitworth key so obviously pulls off. Do I have to use a pulley extractor and do both the inner and outer pull lies come off together?

14 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 7:32 pm

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Im not sure im following what your saying .... the crankshaft pulley is meant to be one piece  it has a woodruff key  ....so you pull the whole piece in one ....is that what you meant darren ?

15 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 7:35 pm

Bones

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Yes I was close woodruff key whit worth key lol. Only beginners call em woodruff key lol. Your spot on with what I mean , does it require a puller?

16 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 7:46 pm

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theres 2 threaded bolt holes in pulley which you can use to pull the pulley off
however be very very carefull doing this as you can end up threading the bolts into the alloy pump housing which will then result in a major job if you damage that............so either put a thin bit of steel sheet behind where the bolts go through so it does not damage the casing or just spray the centre up with some wd and lightly lever it each side until it breaks loose
jut be carefull Wink 

as above the whole pulley is one piece

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17 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 7:53 pm

Bones

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Grassee arse senior

18 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 8:34 pm

Bones

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Sorted, behind the pully is i assume the crank seal? This has been leeking oil slightly, is it easy to replace and were would i get one. My local dealer is out the question as they never get back to you??

19 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 8:55 pm

Bones

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Just read yr how too. So thats all ok just need to know were to get a new seal? Maybe local auto factors?

20 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 9:47 pm

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yep im 99% sure the sunny 2.0 gti one is the same one which you can get from most motor factors for a quid or two

http://www.gti-r-us.co.uk www.force500.com

21 Re: Timing problem on 21st October 2013, 9:55 pm

Bones

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Lovely jubblie

22 Re: Timing problem on 22nd October 2013, 4:31 pm

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Just ordered crank case seal from auto factors £69 inc, can't go wrong at that price Laughing

23 Re: Timing problem on 22nd October 2013, 4:42 pm

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your winding me up right?

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24 Re: Timing problem on 22nd October 2013, 6:02 pm

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That must be the gold edition bob Shocked

25 Re: Timing problem on 23rd October 2013, 8:15 pm

Bones

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Must read posts before hitting send. It should read £4.69 no wonder you thought it was expensive lol. As the outer wheel on the pulley was slipping a bit I've spot welded a small washer across the outer wheel and inner part so it can't move anymore, next I'll find TDC mark my pulley accordingly and set my strobe light to pluses 20. If the pulley runs ok I'll leave it but if there seems to be any vibration then I can revolve the small washer from under the wheel arch.

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