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26 Re: Black art grapics on 4th February 2015, 7:17 am

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A lot of money but they look stunning and last forever. Come on you tight wads. Probably spending there money on a shiny part for engine bay rob there owners but not lovers of the gtir lol

27 Re: Black art grapics on 4th February 2015, 11:39 am

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No we are just tight Laughing if it was half that i would put me name down .... but i think its quite expensive for what it is .....


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28 Re: Black art grapics on 30th September 2016, 11:33 am

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Right bringing up a old thread. They would not do this last time because they wanted pictures etc. Had a e mail but prices have gone up and they don't do Perspex ones any more. Its not cheap but incase you ain't noticed I love these cars not just owning/driving one so will folllw this up this time regardless. Here is the reply I got and I will get it onto all gtir sites and face book see how it goes

29 Re: Black art grapics on 30th September 2016, 11:34 am

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Hi Johnny

We’ll need a minimum of five A3 plaques at the catalogue price of £149.

At 10, we can offer a discount to £129.

On the A3 plaques we offer some basic visual modifications, things like lowered suspension, big brake kits and aftermarket wheels can be added as optional extras. We can add a short modifications list and modifiy existing technical specifications (performance data etc) at no additional charge.

We can offer to create a matching illustration for more heavily visually modified cars (aftermarket bodywork etc), however do to the time involved to get everything perfectly proportioned in all four views, we now only offer this on our larger A2 and A1 size plaques, priced at £289 and £479 respectively. (Customers wanting this level of work must be prepared to send us reference photos taken to our specifications, existing shots will not do as we need to see things at very particular angles!)

30 Re: Black art grapics on 30th September 2016, 11:40 am

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CQ4HRn-XAAAvz41.jpg

31 Re: Black art grapics on 30th September 2016, 11:41 am

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Anyone interested let me know please on this thread

32 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 1:17 am

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I would be so keen for one of these, pretty expensive but something you can hold on to for a long time.

33 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 6:48 am

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That's what I thought mate they do look good. Think I need one so once all my cars go I have a reminder of them. They will last a life time and when you think some of the little model cars are half this price that's how I justify it anyway. I will push for more discount but doubt it but need the 5 before I try anyway. I might buy 2 I should buy a 3rd for a club raffle or RR day raffle at bobs next one. He should have one in his office but like I say people have better things to spend over hundred quid on. I just look at it as pound a day or 1 less pint now n then. I don't smoke but see people wasting £10 a day on tabs but everyone to there own. Tattoo ain't cheap and it's just like one of those but not on your skin

34 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 6:52 am

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That's very true mate, they aren't something that mass produced either, so I think if you buy one, you'll will have something thats rare into the future aswell.

35 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 6:59 am

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True I just like the laser cut sharp lines. Can you stretch to one or not mate ?

36 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 8:00 am

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Ill be down for one mate Smile

37 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 11:44 am

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38 Re: Black art grapics on 1st October 2016, 11:23 pm

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couple of questions.
will they make a Standard version in Pulsar (not Sunny), with standard wheels etc
What information will be provided on the plaque
can you ask for image location, ie front top left, side top right, plan bottom left and rear bottom right etc
If so, I'll have one

39 Re: Black art grapics on 2nd October 2016, 4:03 pm

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Yes will certainly check but yes I want pulsar. Yes it's standard form I want not personalised i.e. Standard wheels brakes and the info is the info we provide to them. Sure there is standard lengths weights etc online if you know these please provide them.i don't fully understand your question on the position it will be same as the link above ?

40 Re: Black art grapics on 2nd October 2016, 4:04 pm

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Anyone reading this where did I see the standard specs weight etc body with lengths etc on anyone got it ?

41 Re: Black art grapics on 2nd October 2016, 6:07 pm

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Dimensions, Weight & Performance
Length/Width/Height - 3975/1690/1410 mm
Wheelbase - 2430 mm
Tread front/rear - 1440/1415 mm
Kerb weight - 1220kg for GTI-RA (Road Edition), 1190kg for GTI-RB (rally Edition)
Seating capacity - 5 (really 4)
Minimum turning radius - 5.2 m
Maximum speed - 223 kph+
Acceleration - 0-100 kph - 5.4 sec
Acceleration - 0-400 meters - 13.9 sec
Coefficent of drag - 0.39
Ground Clearance - 150 mm

Mechanical Features
Engine model - SR20DET
Engine type - Turbocharged, in line 4 DOHC, 16 valves with intercooler
Displacement - 1998 cc
Max power output - 227/6400 ps/rpm
Max torque - 27.2/4800 kgm/rpm
Bore & stroke - 86 x 86 mm
Compression ratio - 8.3:1
Turbo - Garret TB2804 (T3/T25 combination -> Compressor = 60mm, 60 trim in .60A/R -> Turbine = 53mm, 79 trim in .86A/R)
Control system - Electronic port injection
Transmission - type 5-speed manual

Transmission -
1st - 3.285
2nd - 1.850
3rd - 1.272
4th - 0.954
5th - 0.740
Rev - 3.266
Final Gear Ratio - 4.125

Steering - Rack & Pinion, power assist with tilt
Suspension system - 4-wheel independent with front McPherson struts. Rear parallel links with struts
4-Wheel drive system - With viscous coupling, centre differential and viscous LSD
Brakes - Heavy-duty front ventilated disc brakes and rear disc brakes
ABS - A 4-sensor, 2-channel electronic anti-lock braking system is available
Tires - 195/55R14 82V radials
Wheels - 14-inch aluminium 14 x 6JJ

Total Number of GTiR's Produced
The total number of GTI-R units produced was under 15,000
(exact number is unconfirmed, but either ~11,500 or ~13,800)

Production was done in Japan and ran from August 1990 until November 1994.

The commonly quoted figure of 5000 (4500 RA + 500 RB)
applies to the first year of production only (90-91)
which Nissan had to fullfill under FIA regulations in order to enter as a manufacturer in the World Rally Championship.

There were 5 seperate periods of production:
000102 (08/90) - 005769 (04/91) [5667]
020004 (06/91) - 021480 (09/91) [1476]
051003 (10/91) - 053490 (07/92) [2487]
100003 (08/92) - 102340 (07/93) [2337]
150002 (08/93) - 151846 (11/94) [1844]
(these figures have been extracted using the chassis-lookup feature of the Nissan FAST parts system)

The Japanese Club quotes slightly different numbers - but an explanation has not been able to be communicated:
000101 (02/90) - 005485 (04/91) [5384]
020001 (05/91) - 020969 (09/91) [968]
051001 (10/91) - 053368 (07/92) [2367]
100001 (08/92) - 102215 (07/93) [2214]
150001 (08/93) - 150522 (08/94) [521]

THE DIFFERENT MODELS
There were only 2 versions of the GTI-R sold to the general public:
GTI-RA - (Alpha) aka RA / Road / Luxury = MODEL NUMBER: EBYNRVFN14xxxx
GTI-RB - (Beta) aka RB / Rally / Homologation = MODEL NUMBER: EBYNRRFN14xxxx
[model # is found on the VIN plate]

Other Versions:

NISMO - there were several (total unknown - but at least 5) RB versions sold with special Nismo ID plates.
They sported many of the Nismo rally options (suspension, diffs, seats, roll cage, foot rests, etc),
and were probably built as promo cars, and then eventually sold to private buyers in the mid-late 90s.

GROUP A - The Group-A Rally Car was not sold in showrooms (used for the WRC by NME as their Works car).

SUNNY - This was the badge used for the European-delivered models. They have different model numbers.
Exact amounts are unknown, but several hundred RHD versions were sold in the UK,
and under 1000 LHD units were sold in Germany, Italy and France (other countries unconfirmed).

Misnomers:

"DAKAR" - the name Dakar is sometimes used (mainly in UK) in reference to the RB,
but that name DOES NOT appear in any official texts or anywhere on the cars,
and the car was never entered in the famous rally by that name.
IF ANYONE CAN PROVIDE ANY INFO/EVIDENCE TO PROVE OTHERWISE PLEASE LET US KNOW.

"HKS" - Contrary to some links on the 'net - there was never an HKS version (or HKS promo car).

THE DIFFERENCES IN THE "RA"
Basically, there were 2 main series/versions/phases of RA (road) cars,
they can be identified by their chassis numbers:
BELOW RNN14-100000 (Early / Phase1)
ABOVE RNN14-100000 (Late / Phase2)

There are actually 4 variations (at each 50000 chassis interval),
but the exact details of the changes are unclear and they seem to be cross-over periods with bits from both:
000001 (02/90)
050001 (10/91)
100001 (08/92)
150001 (08/93)

These are the changes made to the Late models:

- body colour super white [531] replaced the early ivory/marble white [KJ7]
- body colour only available in black [KH3] or the above super white (no more grey [TJ1] or red [AJ4])
- umbrella holder removed (blank panel, rather than vent from the RB model)
- headrests changed to solid (from hollow/donut-style)
- interior fabric trim changed to the same as the SSS model (no longer specific for GTI-R)
- badge on front grill changed to "Nissan" (from the Prince "P")
- steering wheel changed to generic black Nissan logo debossed (instead of red GTI-R logo button)
- windscreen changed to monotone (no more upper blue section)
- roof lining changed to vinyl from twill (except for those that chose the sunroof option)
- main instrument cluster modification (logos changed to hidden unless lit, and ANTI-LOCK logo changed to ABS)
- the water pump model was changed
- a couple of supports were added (clutch pedal bracket and side door beams)

There were NO changes to the engine or exterior.|

There WAS a limited run of Turquoise Metallic [DL2] coloured examples - the unconfirmed rumour is that it was for a commemorative event in Japan (Emperor's Day?) - also unconfirmed is the number, some say 20, some 30, some 50, etc - there has never been any proof - but it is clear that they are by far the rarest of the colours...

THE DIFFERENCES IN THE "RB"
The homologation (RB) model was specifically built to be used for Group N rallying, and had all the luxury trimmings removed as standard.
Originally thought to be the difinitive spec - it is now clear that some of the luxury items were available as an option
(but mainly found in the later years):
- no colour-coded side mirrors (grey plastic - standard)
- no umbrella holder (a vent is there instead - standard)
- close ratio gearbox (standard)
- front lsd (standard, but other front diffs optional)
- steel wheels (standard)
- no rear wiper (optional)
- no air con (optional)
- no electric windows or mirrors (optional)
- interior from base-model pulsar (vinyl trim, basic seats, rubber gearstick boot - standard)
- exterior paint marble/ivory white (optional - but it seems most of the early ones are this colour)

There were also many Nismo Rally Options (as seen in the Best Motoring Special #13 video)
(see list below)

Nismo had a promo RB sporting all the Nismo options (see Gallery).
Autech sold some of the RB versions (Autech is a tuning company that sell complete upgraded cars).

THE OPTIONS
There were factory options available throughout production:
- climate control (common)
- wind deflectors (common)
- plastic protectors (doors, handles, bumpers)
- heated seats (very rare)
- heated mirrors (rare)
- illuminated ignition ring
- rear parcel shelf speaker upgrade

There were also motorsport options:
- rear roll bar
- driving lights
- knee rests
- bumper protector
- foot rests (different from Nismo ones)
- strut braces (different from Nismo ones)
- rear diff cover (different from Nismo one)

There were also many Nismo options:
- strut braces
- suspension
- clutches
- bushes
- steering wheel
- seats & belts
- underbody guards
- diffs
- etc

NOTE ON NORMAL FACTORY OPTIONS:
It seems that many late models have more of these options than early models, which logic suggests is most likely due to the general rule that towards the end of production showrooms would do good deals on them.

FACTORY COLOUR CODES:
KH3 = Super Black (entire production)
AJ4 = Red (early models only)
TJ1 = Blue-Grey Graphite Pearl (early models only)
KJ7 = Ivory/Marble White (early models only)
531 = Super White (late models only)
DL2 = Turqoise Metallic (special commemorative only) [previously thought to be FM0]

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42 Re: Black art grapics on 2nd October 2016, 6:08 pm

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43 Re: Black art grapics on 2nd October 2016, 6:09 pm

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Just on a brief look ....


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44 Re: Black art grapics on 3rd October 2016, 10:00 am

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This is the above list revised with more up to date and relevant information.  Much the same but with the conjecture comments removed and more information included.
See what you think.

Dimensions, Weight & Performance

Length/Width/Height – 3975/1690/1410 mm
Wheelbase – 2430 mm
Tread front/rear – 1440/1415 mm
Kerb weight – 1220 kg for GTI-RA (Road Edition), 1190 kg for GTI-RB (Rally Edition)
Seating capacity – 5
Minimum turning radius – 5.2 m
Maximum speed – 223 kph+; 139 mph+
Acceleration – 0-100 kph – 5.4 sec
Acceleration – 0-400 meters – 13.9 sec
Coefficient of drag – 0.39
Ground Clearance – 150 mm

Mechanical Features

Engine model – SR20DET (54C)
Engine type – Turbocharged with intercooler, in line 4 cylinder, DOHC, 16 valves
Displacement – 1998 cc
Max power output – 220 PS/217 hp/162 kW/6400 rpm
Max torque – 27.2 kg-m/267 Nm/197 lb.ft. /4800 rpm
Bore & stroke – 86 x 86 mm
Compression ratio – 8.3:1
Turbocharger – Garret TB2804 (T3/T25 combination > Compressor = 60 mm, 60 trim in 0.60 A/R; > Turbine = 53 mm, 79 trim in 0.86 A/R)
Control system – Electronic port injection
Transmission Type – 5-speed manual

Transmission:

Gear RA RB
1st - 3.285 3.067
2nd - 1.850 2.095
3rd - 1.272 1.635
4th - 0.954 1.272
5th - 0.740 0.911
Rev - 3.266 3.153
Final Gear Ratio - 4.125 (RA & RB)

Features:

Steering – Rack & Pinion, Power Assisted with Tilt.
Suspension system – 4-Wheel independent.  Front - McPherson struts. Rear - Parallel links with struts.
4-Wheel drive system – A version of the ATTESA drivetrain with viscous coupling, centre differential and viscous LSD.
Brakes – Heavy-duty.  Front - Ventilated discs; Rear - Solid discs.
ABS – 4-sensor, 2-channel electronic anti-lock braking (optional).
Tires – 195/55R14 82V Radials.
Wheels – 14-inch Aluminium (14 x 6JJ – 4x100PCD, 59.1mm Centre Bore, 40mm ET [offset]).

Numbers Produced:

The total number of GTI-R units produced was under 15,000.  The exact number is unconfirmed, but thought to be about ~11,500.

The commonly quoted figure of 5000 (4500 RA + 500 RB homologated) applies to the first year of production only (90-91), which Nissan needed to fill under FIA regulations in order to enter as a manufacturer in the World Rally Championship (WRC Group A).

The Different Models:

There were 2 versions of the GTI-R sold to the general public:
“A” - (Alpha) aka RA / Road / Luxury = Model Number: EBYNRVFN14xxxx; identified by their chassis numbers:
BELOW – RNN14-100000 (Series 1 / Phase 1, 2, and 3)

“B” - (Beta) aka RB / Rally / Homologation = Model Number: EBYNRRFN14xxxx; identified by their chassis numbers:
ABOVE – RNN14-100000 (Series 2 / Phase 1 and 2)
[model ## is found on the Identification Plate attached to the engine bay firewall]

The Manufacturer VIN Identification (stamped on the engine bay firewall):

5 separate phases of production (VIN):
S1P1 – 000101 (08/90) - 005769 (04/91) [5667]
S1P2 – 020001 (06/91) - 021480 (09/91) [1476]
S1P3 – 051001 (10/91) - 053490 (07/92) [2487]
S2P1 – 100001 (08/92) - 102340 (07/93) [2337]
S2P2 – 150001 (08/93) - 151846 (11/94) [1844]
(These figures have been extracted using the chassis-lookup feature of the Nissan FAST parts system)

A Japanese Club quotes slightly different numbers - but an explanation has not been able to be communicated:
000101 (02/90) - 005485 (04/91) [5384]
020001 (05/91) - 020969 (09/91) [968]
051001 (10/91) - 053368 (07/92) [2367]
100001 (08/92) - 102215 (07/93) [2214]
150001 (08/93) - 150522 (08/94) [521]

Factory Colour Codes:

KH3 - Obsidian (aka Super Black) – (Entire production)
AJ4 - Red (aka Active Red) – (Series 1 models only)
TJ1 - Bluestone (aka Blue-Grey Graphite Pearl) (Series 1 models and at least 127 Series 2 models)
KJ7 - Light Grey (aka Ivory/Marble White) (Series 1 models only)
531 - White (aka Super White) (Series 2 models only)
DL2 - Ironstone (aka Turquoise Metallic) [previously thought to be FM0] (Series 2 models only)

Identification Plates marked:

M = Tochigi Factory; and
W or 9 = Kyushu Factory
Kyushu is probably Huzisige - Fuji Jyuuko Factory

Changes made to the Series 2 models:

- body colour available in Super Black (KH3) or Super White (531) that replaced the Ivory/Marble White (KJ7) – (No more Red (AJ4); but at least 127 Grey (TJ1) were produced as Series 2 vehicles)
- Umbrella holder removed (blank panel, rather than vent from the RB model)
- Headrests changed to solid (from hollow/donut-style)
- Interior fabric trim changed to the same as the Pulsar SSS model (no longer specific for GTI-R)
- Emblem on front grille changed to “Nissan” Circle (from the Pulsar “P”)
- Emblem on rear tailgate changed to “Nissan” Circle (from the Nissan name)
- Steering wheel changed to generic black Nissan logo debossed (instead of red GTI-R logo button)
- Windscreen changed to monotone (no more upper blue section)
- Roof lining changed to vinyl from twill (except for those that chose the sunroof option)
- Main instrument cluster modification (logos changed to hidden unless lit, and ANTI-LOCK logo changed to ABS)
- Water pump model was changed
- Supports were added (Clutch pedal bracket and side door beams)

There were NO changes to the Engine, Drivetrain or Exterior.|

The Turquoise Metallic (DL2) colour is unconfirmed as a commemorative event in Japan (Emperor's Day?) – There are at least 60 known produced in this colour (Series 2 only).

Optional Extra Items:

These were “factory options” available throughout production:
- Climate control (air conditioning)
- Wind deflectors
- Speaker upgrade (Rear parcel shelf)
- Protectors - plastic (doors, handles, bumpers)
- Heated mirrors
- Ignition ring (Illuminated)
- Heated seats
- Floor mat sets (5 mats)

There were also “Motorsport options”:
- Foot rests (different from Nismo ones)
- Driving lights
- Knee rests
- Rear roll bar
- Bumper protector
- Strut braces (different from Nismo ones)
- Rear diff cover (different from Nismo one)

There were also many “Nismo” options:
- Strut braces
- Suspension
- Steering wheel
- Clutches
- Bushings
- Seats & belts
- Foot rests
- Differentials
- Underbody guards

Differences in the “RB” Model

The RB (homologation) model was built with all the luxury trimmings removed as standard:
- No colour-coded side mirrors (grey plastic - standard)
- No umbrella holder (a vent is there instead - standard)
- Close ratio gearbox (standard)
- Front LSD differential standard (other differentials optional)
- Steel wheels (standard)
- No rear wiper (optional)
- No air conditioning (optional)
- No electric windows or mirrors (optional)
- Interior from base-model pulsar (vinyl trim, basic seats, rubber gearstick boot - standard)
(some of the luxury items were available as optional items).

Other Versions:

SUNNY – This was the emblem used for the European-delivered models.  They have different model numbers.  Exact amounts are unknown, but about 70 RHD versions were sold in the UK, about 1000 LHD versions were sold in Germany, the Netherlands, Iceland, Italy and France (other countries unconfirmed).

NISMO – had promotion RB’s sporting all the Nismo options (Total unknown – but at least 21). These versions are fitted with special “Nismo” Identification Plates and sported many of the Nismo rally options (suspension, differentials, seats, roll cage, foot rests, etc.), and then eventually sold to private buyers.

AUTECH – sold modified RB versions (Autech is a tuning company that sell complete upgraded cars).

GROUP A – The Group-A Rally Car was not sold in showrooms (it was an RB version used by NME [Nissan Motorsport Europe] as their Works car for the World Rally Championship (WRC) challenge.

Misnomers:

“DAKAR” – The name Dakar is sometimes used (mainly in UK) in reference to the RB, but that name DOES NOT appear in any official texts or anywhere on the cars, and the car was never entered in the famous Dakar rally, by that name.

“HKS” – Contrary to some links on the 'Internet’ - there was never a HKS version (or HKS promotion car).

NOTE ON NORMAL FACTORY OPTIONS:
It seems that many late models have more of these options than early models, which logic suggests is most likely due to the general rule that towards the end of production, showrooms would do good deals.

45 Re: Black art grapics on 3rd October 2016, 12:33 pm

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Great idea but wowzer at the price lol

You can buy an etching/engraving machine for just over £700
Not sure how much the aluminium blanks are.

But if you all payed £100 each and had 10 people wanting one you could buy the machine between you all and then make more and also other things...
If I had a spare £1k I would do it myself!
Here is a quick mock up that I have done that would easily be engraved by a machine.


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46 Re: Black art grapics on 3rd October 2016, 12:40 pm

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Could easily make these up and frame them too Smile


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47 Re: Black art grapics on 3rd October 2016, 8:56 pm

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That's interesting to know, it is certainly a better option but finding the numbers and then what to do with it etc. I reckon it could be a good investment for you in the future Stu Smile

@Stu wrote:Great idea but wowzer at the price lol

You can buy an etching/engraving machine for just over £700
Not sure how much the aluminium blanks are.

But if you all payed £100 each and had 10 people wanting one you could buy the machine between you all and then make more and also other things...
If I had a spare £1k I would do it myself!
Here is a quick mock up that I have done that would easily be engraved by a machine.

48 Re: Black art grapics on 3rd October 2016, 9:21 pm

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@gtir_woody wrote:That's interesting to know, it is certainly a better option but finding the numbers and then what to do with it etc. I reckon it could be a good investment for you in the future Stu Smile

@Stu wrote:Great idea but wowzer at the price lol

You can buy an etching/engraving machine for just over £700
Not sure how much the aluminium blanks are.

But if you all payed £100 each and had 10 people wanting one you could buy the machine between you all and then make more and also other things...
If I had a spare £1k I would do it myself!
Here is a quick mock up that I have done that would easily be engraved by a machine.


Yeah in the distant future tho mate.
I wasn't to buy a huge eco solvent printer/cutter first so that I can make printed stickers/ banners and vinyl transfers for clothing.
They are £4k tho for the ones I want lol
I have just ordered some blanks to sublimation the above gtir design on.
See how they turn out.
Will be loads cheaper and can put them on the wall easier as they will be really light haha


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49 Re: Black art grapics on 6th October 2016, 11:10 am

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sweet mate, look forward to hearing how they turn out.

50 Re: Black art grapics on 15th October 2016, 5:44 am

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Bump last shout
Sadly due to some unforeseen circumstances it's looking highly possible that we won't be able to restock before Christmas, unfortunately we had a supplier go out of business taking a significant amount of our money with them, and coupled with the general downturn (thanks Brexit), sadly we've struggled to recover from it.

We've got about 80 of our A3 plates left in stock, and a handful of A2 / A1 plates, but with a 6-7 week lead time on the orders that really is likely to be it for 2016. I know it's still early, but if you're thinking about getting one of our products for a loved one this Christmas, I really would advise not leaving it too late.

Hopefully we'll bounce back in 2017, we're diversifying out into general laser cutting/engraving business and have already picked up one production job for a local company, hopefully more will follow!

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Dan

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