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26 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 9:33 pm

shroom

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nomad wrote:So would work out about 103 quid is for 7 litres ....

Bollox to that Laughing

27 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 9:37 pm

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That Tripple QX cheep ass crap is £56 for 10l delivered and it does tick the right boxes
It's fully synthetic, 75w90 and it's gl4/5

I know you get what you pay for but aslong as it meets the correct requirements I should be fine to use it shouldn't it? Like I said I'll just cut the service interval drastically and put something decent in when im not face with so much to do at once

28 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 9:39 pm

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Now this could be wrong i was always under the impression engine oil spend good money on and check whats in but gear box oil say comma etc ur budget brands have all the additives of the more expensive ? I think you will be suprised how much of it comes from same place vauxhall claim there oil is fucs re labled

29 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 9:54 pm

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Not everyone same with opie as they do 15% & better.
On standard 10% opie works out around £90 for 7ltrs
Opie never the cheapest & Millers normally can be found cheaper in UK
Gearbox oil works hard, if totally broke &on budget then buy likes of comma or similar fully sythentic, it will be ok in a low power road car& changed regularly but anyone on decent power or doing track work wants decent tranny oil.

Opie do 5ltrs of crx for £62 on eBay
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Millers-Oils-CRX-75w90-NT-Competition-full-synthetic-transmission-oil-5-Litre-/161133136781?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2584488b8d



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30 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 9:59 pm

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This is for a road car running stock power so shoulda be under extreme conditions.

Like o said I know it's false economy but I'm going to buy cheap now and swap out for some decent quality oil at another time. I like to use high quality oil but this £50 saving on oil could be the difference between being ready for the RR day on the 19th or not

31 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:03 pm

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Well this has turned into a healthy debate goodpost
i do believe you get what you pay for for most instances ... so i do agree with mr b .... i am intrested in cheaper brands vs more expensive brands .... do you thinks your just paying the premium for the name .....


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32 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:21 pm

Mr B

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compare top spec to run of the mill lower cost brands can be night & day in terms of improved shifting & monitoring things like gearbox heat . In Bills scenario a smart budget buy will probably be fine due to low power & light use. High power, lots of miles & track work wants good oil. Transmissions have immense amount of stress & friction & also are f00king expensive & annoying when explode whine or shift poorly ...

Top brand oil should be do-able for around £70 to £80
sensible budget oil probably £40 to £50

33 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:21 pm

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I think its just a load of commercial bollox and we just bent over and let it take us. I wish we had an Aldi verson of automotive lol the price of marketing is passed onto us. Its all about money money money gready barstool companies.

I guess a good bad gear change and grind is alot worse than some half decent oil. I think you have come to the right conclusion.

34 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:28 pm

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Within reason yes. Believe me some big oil chains say gb lubricants up newcastle sell it to trade you can take your own container its same as you get in smaller 5l containers just they sell it cheap as they buy it by the 45 gallon drums or tanker full. Look into all sorts of products a lot are made in the same factory and re labelled for different stores and price can be double or treble

Now i am not back tracking engine oil yes well worth paying more but i can see no difference in exactly whats in the right cheaper box oil to most more expensive.

All must meet a certain standard both engine and box oils but soon as you start paying more for engine oil you see and read the differences are big but box oil i always belived was very similar properties between the price range

35 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:30 pm

Mr B

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shroom wrote:I think its just a load of commercial bollox and we just bent over and let it take us. I wish we had an Aldi verson of automotive lol the price of marketing is passed onto us. Its all about money money money gready barstool companies.

I guess a good bad gear change and grind is alot worse than some half decent oil. I think you have come to the right conclusion.

Good engineering costs money or do you think those Chinese turbos are as good as Garretts !

To some extent the commercial element has increased the cost difference greater than it needs to be but if you compare quality gearbox oil to likes of comma difference is huge, I have seen gearboxes improved drastically through just change of oil brand & also seen 200,000 mile plus gearboxes in superb contition due to quality oils used.
Indeed some cheaper brands may offer a lot for what they charge but it a risk & time consuming & costly to find out for sure.

36 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:44 pm

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Yes I agree but Its the re branding of things that I dont like, yes good engineering costs but so does marketing it as super duper track day awsomeness.

China is a different matter the crap they churn out is just that, they dont care about legal matters such as copyright, trade marks and do so at their pleasure lol all the more reason to plague the west with the carrot on the stick ie cheap imports.

I live local to Morris lubricants and always used them in the £250,000 plus combines and tractors which were running close to 20 hours a day full choke. I dont know anything about it really but just as you said going down to the local petrol station is not going to get you a decent oil but the motorsport price tag is also stupid.

37 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:51 pm

johnny gtir

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I find similar with a company called carrs agricultural for my antifreeze

38 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 10:53 pm

Mr B

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johnny gtir wrote:Within reason yes. Believe me some big oil chains say gb lubricants up newcastle sell it to trade you can take your own container its same as you get in smaller 5l containers just they sell it cheap as they buy it by the 45 gallon drums or tanker full. Look into all sorts of products a lot are made in the same factory and re labelled for different stores and price can be double or treble

Now i am not back tracking engine oil yes well worth paying more but i can see no difference in exactly whats in the right cheaper box oil to most more expensive.

All must meet a certain standard both engine and box oils but soon as you start paying more for engine oil you see and read the differences are big but box oil i always belived was very similar properties between the price range

Your oil API & GL labelling is all a basic guide to getting a decent spec oil, Many oils work better in different manufacturers gearboxes & most of the better engineered oils far surpass the market quality indexing & far better shear handling capability & frictional loss along with enhanced features improving syncro function & plate lsd function.
Gearboxes tend to get seriously neglected for quality oil & service frequency & considering the complexity of moving parts & immense stresses the oils ae subjected to it is bad practise.

39 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 11:05 pm

Mr B

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shroom wrote:Yes I agree but Its the re branding of things that I dont like, yes good engineering costs but so does marketing it as super duper track day awsomeness.

China is a different matter the crap they churn out is just that, they dont care about legal matters such as copyright, trade marks and do so at their pleasure lol all the more reason to plague the west with the carrot on the stick ie cheap imports.

I live local to Morris lubricants and always used them in the £250,000 plus combines and tractors which were running close to 20 hours a day full choke. I dont know anything about it really but just as you said going down to the local petrol station is not going to get you a decent oil but the motorsport price tag is also stupid.

Morris lubricants are much like Miller oils as both UK companies that specialise in oil engineering, Morris very well known in agriculture & heavy machinary & millers more so in performance car.
Biggest thing you need be careful with when using never heard of oil  brands is does it really meet the spec being stated & how much are you really saving.
£70 for 7ltrs of decent oil is not that excessive if you really need it & that the main thing really 'do you need it' ? are you on track a lot, is your gearbox under extreme duress that a better oil could be worthwhile the expense !

40 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 11:21 pm

shroom

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Well definately for the sake of 40 quid its not worth splitting hears over. Just looked and Morris is still £50 plus for 5 litrs will have to check at my local store how much it is :-)

41 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 16th March 2015, 11:43 pm

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Hi bill I got a gl4 in my box mt90 is expensive but if you are going to do it make sure u do it properly my box took 4l in my diff I'm running Fuchs gl5 and transfer box

42 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 17th March 2015, 12:01 am

Hardy172cup

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Just been looking at this and it looks a decent brand and reads up ok for the money.
I know somebody who does stock car racing and I'm sure they can get Lucas oil cheap so I might be able to get it cheaper still Very Happy

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/191296832920?nav=SEARCH

43 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 17th March 2015, 12:28 am

Mr B

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Indy wrote:Hi bill I got a gl4 in my box mt90 is expensive but if you are going to do it make sure u do it properly my box took 4l in my diff I'm running Fuchs gl5 and transfer box
mt90 is good & about £15+ a litre I expect.
silkolene (now Fuchs) syn 5 is good but expensive like the redline
Castrol Syntrax also quite good but about same price as millers etc (£10-£11 a litre if shop for it)
Millers is one of the slightly better ones in terms of pricing but that requires a bit of work from the buyer & not ebay or opie generally unless promotion ongoing.

44 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 5th May 2016, 7:43 pm

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Glad I came across this thread, looking for what gearbox oil to use.  Previously always used Redline MT90.  Really informative posts goodpost

45 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 10th May 2016, 8:27 pm

Bones

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Just a reminder Bill make sure you can get the fill up plugs out before you drop the oil mate

46 Re: Gearbox transfer box and diff oil's on 12th May 2016, 12:46 pm

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I use millers trx 75-90 in the transferbox and gearbox. Can't remember what i used in the diff but was some comma lsd fluid

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