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1Help on engine please Empty Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 2:02 pm

Telly


Hi guys can you help please.

Just had the welding and engine flush done. Went to pick up car from the mechanic who said it is yhe cams but i dont trust him lol.

https://youtu.be/XCfr4tkUL_Y

Thank you

2Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 3:10 pm

johnny gtir

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Was it like this before it went ? Sounds like bottom end knocking to me

3Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 3:57 pm

Telly


When we bought it there was a slight ticking sound, but we thought it was the rocket cover because when we pushed it down the noise stopped. We took it to the garage, had an engine flush and service then the knocking started. I rang bob, bob said it could be the bottom end or the sump, I took pictures of it and will upload them soon.

4Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 4:00 pm

Telly


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5Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 4:48 pm

johnny gtir

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Could be simply the flush has accelerated the problem

6Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 4:52 pm

Telly


Could it be the sump or am i looking at a new engine??

7Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 5:31 pm

Stu

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You need to start stripping the engine to see what's wrong.
If it was me I would take the rocker cover off first and see if there's anything obvious.
Should only take 30 minutes to remove. Pretty straight forward.
Checking bottom end is a lot more involved but can be done while the engine is still in the car.
Didnt the garage check the old oil for metal particles ?

I have always thought engine flush isnt good for turbo's?


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8Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 6:03 pm

johnny gtir

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When you say sump. What you need to be looking for is weather it's dinted in which starves the oil pickup that is close to bottom of sump to start with ( for obvious reasons) if this happens it kills the engine i.e. Starvs it of oil and we all know what that means

9Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 7:09 pm

nomad

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4th picture looks like the sump is dented or is that me ???


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10Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 8:03 pm

mike74

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It's difficult to be 100% but the sump looks ok to me. If there's any denting there it would be minimal IMO

11Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 8:41 pm

johnny gtir

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Agree there is abit there but by picture it's minimal and to far over to cause a issue

12Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 8:48 pm

Telly


Ill try taking it apart next weekend as garage is now closed. I take it from the above comments needs rebuild.

13Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 9:58 pm

nomad

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Sounds like further investigation is needed wirk out if its top or bottom .. not unless you planned on rebuilding it anyway ?


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14Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 10:01 pm

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Seems strange if you press down on the rocker cover it stops not unless its vibration ? I would start with the top ...


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15Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 27th May 2017, 10:39 pm

Telly


Yeah when we first got it all i did was push down on rocket cover and the noise stopped. Even when i drove it back from scotland the noise was the same. Just now when the oil changed its gone real bad

16Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 6:17 am

Cosmic73

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Sounds the same as mine when the bottom end went. Did the flush have loads of crap in it? Mine had none but when I took the sump off and a main cap it was clear it was wrecked.
Also make sure your dip stick tube us fully in and re check your oil level.

17Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 6:47 am

johnny gtir

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It's hard to tell on a video. Pull the rocker cover of you suspect top end. Surly the garage had some idea by the noise of it sounded too or bottom end ? Where you based

18Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 8:03 am

gtir_woody

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When I first brought my R the original engine had a bottom end issue, and sounded very very similar, hard to know without stripping it down...

19Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 11:23 am

mike74

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Try using a screwdriver as a stethoscope on the sump when the engines running. It should be pretty clear if that's where the noise is coming from

20Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 2:17 pm

Telly


From what he told me. There was no bits when he flushed the engine. He also said he did a sound check on the bottom and it didnt seem it was the bottom but at the same time he thinks its cams so i dont know if he knows much about this or not. But to be fair to him he has a type r scooby and has been doing work on his own or ao he claims

21Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 5:11 pm

johnny gtir

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Where you based ? Sounds to deep to be top end but start by removing rocker cover see what you can see

22Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 5:55 pm

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Regardless of car should be able to tell noise location roughly...


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23Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 6:26 pm

Telly


I am in birmingham

24Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 7:14 pm

Stu

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@Telly wrote:I am in birmingham
Pm me your address and we can sort a day when I can come over and give you a hand...


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25Help on engine please Empty Re: Help on engine please on 28th May 2017, 8:00 pm

Telly


Hi stu thanx for that. If the bottom end is gone would i need a new block? There is one om ebay going now for a decent price.

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